The real definition of a godly woman

February 16, 2007 at 5:17 am 41 comments

Since I grew up in a very conservative Christian home, I know full well how the Bible Belt would define a godly woman. She would submit to her husband, she would meekly obey her husband and she would take care of the kids and the house without complaint. That is what their holy book demands.

However, if you ask me, that version of a godly woman is dated and sexist. Therefore, I think it is high time to revise that stale definition of a godly woman and to make it something that is far more gender equitable.

I am a spiritual woman who struggled with wrapping my mind around the injustices meted out to women by holy books written eons ago. It is bad enough that little girls must hear how evil they are because some fictitious woman ate an apple long ago in a far away place, but it is even worse when normal biological occurrences, like painful labor during birth, is attributed to the curse of being a woman.

In the spirit of the new rise of gender equality that is spreading around the world through the UN’s new efforts to help women gain ground in politics, business and education, it can be easily concluded that before any of these other areas experience real change, the first area that must change is religion.

So what would a godly woman look like in the 21st century? First of all, we must explain that, for this article, being “godly” is the act of pleasing the creator/creatress. A godly woman is a spiritual person seeking to act in accordance to what her deity would require of her.

I do not believe for one second that any deity would create one person for sole purpose of serving another person. There is no way such an enlightened being’s mind would function like a common human seeking power over others. This being would already have all power. There would be no reason whatsoever to establish one half of creation as superior to the other half – as the world’s current holy books have decreed.

As such, surely the true creator of this world, regardless of whom he or she may be, would not require women to degrade and restrict themselves by submitting to such debasing teachings as those put forth by the ancient texts, which are still practiced in the 21st century.

It seems to me that a creator would want both men and women to reach as far as possible intellectually in a joint effort to accomplish the utmost for mankind. Even a mere human such as myself can see the futility in creating something just to stifle that creation’s potential. Surely a deity is far wiser than I am.

Surely the creator expects both male and female to function at full capacity at all times and to work together without regard to gender by acknowledging the separate strengths of each gender. Indeed, the creator could not expect anything less.

With this in mind, a godly woman would be educated as much as possible, operating at optimum capacity without any social or political restraints to hold her back and would never, never, never submit her will to a man just because he requires it of her.

A godly woman would expect her spouse to equally share household chores if she chose to work outside of the house. She would make sure to help with those chores if she chose to work fulltime outside of the home and the man was the primary caregiver for the children. Likewise, she would require the same in a reversed role.

A godly woman would be quick to speak against sexism and she would never tolerate a man who abused her or her children physically, sexually, emotionally or mentally. A godly woman would be in full control of her body, including her sexuality and reproduction rights.

Of course, a godly woman would also gladly help others when it is within her power. She would freely dole out a perfect mix of compassion and wise counsel.

A godly woman would accomplish as much as she wanted, she would reach as far as she could reach and she would never feel guilty for being successful and intelligent. She owns her own properties, runs her own businesses and manages her own finances if she so chooses.

What is a godly woman? She is the quick-thinking lady who does not shy away from telling Bible-thumpers and Koran-pushers that she is her own woman and she refuses to succumb to the dated and sexist teaching of their holy books.

Surely, this is what the creator really expects of women. In fact, this has to be what the creator expected all along. Anything less would be a sin.

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  • 1. evenstarwen  |  March 8, 2007 at 7:33 am

    i understand how you feel, and i know that it can be pretty frustrating to be discriminated against just because of your gender. i would like to point out, however, that the source of such bigotry is definitely not the Bible, but the way its concepts were misused and taken out of context.

    if you read the Bible while keeping in mind that it was written in a male-dominated society, you’ll be surprised at how ahead of its time its outlook is. there are several accounts of women (and none of men) financially supporting Jesus’ ministry, a report of how a battle was won specifically through two women (Deborah and Jael in the Old Testament), some acknowledgements of women who have served as mentors to prominent apostles (ex: Timothy’s mom and grandmother), a story of how the entire Jewish population was saved through the courage of one woman (Esther), and a mention of how a couple, Priscilla and Aquilla (the woman’s name is mention first, which usually suggests greater prominence), gently corrected a male apostle who was preaching faulty doctrine . most importantly, when the moment finally came for God to take on human form, the first person who was told was a woman, Mary, and she was commended for her faith. on the other hand, a man, Zechariah, who also recieved a similar announcement of unlikely birth (his son, John the Baptist), was punished for his doubt (he was struck dumb). there are many other examples – how the only one who ministered to Jesus before his death was a woman, Magdalene; and how the only ones who were brave enough to stay beneath the cross as he died were women. there is even an admonition for men to instruct their wives, which was pretty radical when you keep in mind that education was then considered exclusive for men.

    the Bible does NOT order women to be slaves to men. while the focus of outrage is on the order for wives to submit to their husbands, we tend to forget that there is also a sobering command to men – to love their wives AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH. considering the depth and the selflessness of that love – even to the point of death – that command should not be treated lightly by men and women alike.

    throughout the Bible, women are commended for their faith, their wisdom, and their godliness. they are NOT treated as second class citizens, but as sources of compassion, wisdom and leadership equal to, but different from, men. the prejudice comes from people who have twisted the Bible to fit their own purposes, NOT from the Creator who designed women and gave them strengths that are equally important and perfectly complementary to those of men.

  • 2. stellar1  |  March 8, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    Evenstarwen,

    I understand your position. I was there for many years myself. I felt that I needed to justify the lowly treatment of women by today’s society by insisting that the God of the bible is not like that.

    I am not going to debate the intentions of god. My issue is with the longstanding treatment of women because Christianity and Islam. Whether it is demanded by God or not is of no import to me. The fact that so many men seem to think God demands it is what is important.

    You and I both know that for every scripture you pull out that shows a woman in a positive light, there are two that shows a woman in a negative light. You and I both know women are not to teach in the church, by order of the bible. You and I both know that we are to submit to men by order of the bible.

    My intention is to say it is time for the sexist ways of religion to be replaced with a far more gender equitable religious code. Only then will the world really start to recover from the millenniums of patriarchal rule.

  • 3. mysteryofiniquity  |  March 8, 2007 at 9:43 pm

    Oh, My, Goddess! Here! Here! to that! Excellent post!

  • 4. evenstarwen  |  March 9, 2007 at 5:47 am

    “You and I both know that for every scripture you pull out that shows a woman in a positive light, there are two that shows a woman in a negative light. You and I both know women are not to teach in the church, by order of the bible. You and I both know that we are to submit to men by order of the bible. ”

    – the Bible shows BOTH men and women as they really are; there are as many depictions of the weaknesses in men as there are of the follies of women. when reading the passage that commands women not to teach in the church, we all must understand that it was written at a time when women did not even have basic education rights, thus they had nothing to teach. in that same passage, husbands are commanded to rectify this failure by teaching their wives. the passage was not meant as a final decree, but as the first step towards the enlightenment of women. those women, on the other hand, who had somehow acquired knowledge, were allowed to be prophetesses (ex. Anna), and leaders in the church (ex. Priscilla). the concept of submission is common in the Bible, and Christ himself submitted to the Father. it must not be seen as a form of weakness, and the command to submit was not intended to mean the subjugation of a woman’s whole being to a man. husbandly love should also not be taken as the condescending care of man to an inferior, but as an all-sacrificing accountability to God Himself. You probably know all these already, but the explanations are for your readers who have been duped into thinking that prejudice against women was God’s idea. i recommend the book “Women: God’s Secret Weapon” by Ed Silvoso for more discussions on this topic.

    “The fact that so many men seem to think God demands it is what is important. ”

    – you are so absolutely on the mark. there are numerous instances in history when the Word of God has been misused by corrupted minds as an excuse for brutality, violence, and usurpation of power. as a Christian, i am ashamed to admit that many times, the church has failed to portray the real image of God, thus allowing many to be misled. it’s about time that this is changed, and truths in the Bible used to bring freedom, not injustice.

  • 5. RAP  |  April 5, 2007 at 6:05 am

    If we come to Scripture (The Bible) as simply “a book,” then yes, one would walk away with an unfair reality of what men and women’s roles are. However, if you see God’s Word as the Mind of God, revealing the way to salvation, you will see what marriage symbolizes. Paul speaks of marriage as a mystery that demonstrates the unfathomable riches of Jesus to the Church (those who will believe). The Husband represents Christ in the home, loving head (not tyrant or passive) – who gives himself up for the one he loves. The Wife represents the Church (not silent, manipulated and/or railroaded) – but respectable and submissive to the loving head, the Husband. When we see marriage this way and each embraces the role we are given, we compliment one another. Egalitarianism does not do this. It creates adversaries and competition rather than the true love Christ brings to the home. Give honor to Christ Jesus. Amen.
    In Him, RAP

  • 6. Melissa  |  June 14, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    Being “spiritual” does by no means define godliness. No matter what kind of home you grew up in! If you’ll look in your Webster you’ll see that godly means “Having great reverence for God.” You are right, women should be thinkers…..

    You have no idea what the Bible really says, seeming as though you can’t even call it what it is! Feminism is so misleading ladies.

  • 7. Melissa  |  June 14, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    Oh, here’s my URL:

    Desiringtobeagodlywoman.blogspot.com

  • 8. stellar1  |  June 15, 2007 at 2:54 am

    Melissa,

    I grew up in an Assembly of God church. I was a Christian minister for years. A missionary. A preacher’s wife. I went to Bible School. I probably know the Bible better than you ever will.

  • 9. mark  |  June 15, 2007 at 3:30 am

    hmmm….I don’t see how you can define godly without knowing God. :/

    Let me guess your a hardcore supporter of Hilary Clinton because she is a woman and you want to empower women no matter their beliefs. (I’m just guessing, I haven’t checked out the rest of your blog and don’t plan to either.)

    In my opinion a “godly woman” is a woman that seeks God on a daily basis and bears fruit.

  • 10. stellar1  |  June 15, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Oh, Mark, you mean women should seek your god on daily basis. That male god who demands women submit themselves to their husbands? That god who tells women to be silent in church? That god who allegedly created women to be a mere helper for the perfect man? The god who supposedly forced every woman to have pain during childbirth?
    Why don’t you visit <a href=”http://literalbible.blogspot.com/search/label/Women” rel=”nofollow”>this site</a> if you would like to know exactly what you god requires of women from your own bible. This will explain why so many women are finally coming to their senses and rejecting your god.

  • 11. Melissa  |  June 17, 2007 at 5:01 am

    A minister, ha! I don’t even wanna hear it. It’s kinda like what I learned in COLLEGE, that when a person is speaking and one uses the word “but” it cancels out everything that person said before that, and that’s what you just did. I don’t care if you were Billy Graham’s advisor at one point or another, you are WRONG! So what if you know more about the Bible than I do? Who cares? You don’t practice anything in it no how. So what does it really matter?

    Another thing, don’t talk about my God like you once knew Him. Your creditability is gone and you, unfortunately, have a false belief of the way things really are. You are GREATLY deceived!

    You know, I just don’t get why you think I should care that you were a minister or a pastors wife….I can’t stop shaking my head at such silliness!

  • 12. stellar1  |  June 17, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    Melissa,

    You, my dear, are the perfect christian. Congratulations.

  • 13. Melissa  |  June 17, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    Titus 3:9-11, Enough has been said here too.

  • 14. mark  |  June 19, 2007 at 12:09 am

    Oh, stellar, I mean women and men should seek God on a daily basis (There are Godly women and Godly men).

    Everybody needs a little help… there is nothing wrong with having a helper at all 😀 My wife is my helper, but I also help her when she needs it.

    I know what God requires of women… he also requires a lot out of men also.

    I went to that site…4 of the first 5 verses were stories from the Old Testament, which just because it was in the Bible doesn’t mean God approved of what happened. There is a lot of sin mentioned in the Bible. The one that wasn’t in the OT was “1 Timothy 5:14 So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.” … I don’t see anything wrong with this verse. He is just encouraging women to marry, have children, and to take care of the home while the men are off to pay for the home, food, and clothes. :/

    Lastly If you read Ephesians 5:25-29 (I know your familiar with Ephesians 5:22-24)
    25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church—

    We men are to love our wife as much as we love ourself. Meaning we men should not be selfish. We should love our wife as much as we love ourself because when I got married my wife and I became one. I provide a provider for my wife just as Chist provides for the church.

    One question and I do not mean this in a sarcastic, or poking fun of way, but in all seriousness what was your father like? what is your husband like?

  • 15. stellar1  |  June 19, 2007 at 1:26 am

    Mark,

    If you must know my background, I never knew my father. However, I am married to an absolutely wonderful man who completely supports my endeavours to free women from the rule of men. In fact, he gives me ideas to write about.

    Now back to your analysis of the scriptures mentioned. It is funny that christians can so easily pass over their very own scriptures when those particular verses do not suit their taste. The truth though, is that the OT is where christianity has its foundation. Christians still live by the 10 commandments and they still look to OT characters and stories for guidance in their 21st century lives.

    Therefore, you cannot simply skip past those scriptures without giving an account for your god’s behaviour – because many of those actions were committed at his command or by someone who was suppose to be “godly” and the act was therefore considered “godly.”

    Now I have a question for you. What are your thoughts about women being equal to men?

  • 16. mark  |  June 19, 2007 at 1:47 am

    answer to your question: I don’t have a problem women wanting to be able to have the same rights as men, but my problem comes when women act like they don’t need a man’s help. (I’m not saying this is what your saying) It frustrates me to hear a woman say “don’t open my door because I can do it myself, I’m a woman” when all the man is trying to do is be a gentleman and in a way serve the woman. I like it that my wife is able to stay home and keep the house tidy and have dinner ready when I get home. Is that too much to ask for? I also do have a problem with women who vote for hilary clinton just because she is a woman, the same way I have a problem with black people voting for obama just because he is black. Why not vote for who you think will do a good job. I not saying every woman that votes for hilary isn’t voting right, just the women who’s main reason for voting for her is because she is a woman.

    “It is funny that christians can so easily pass over their very own scriptures when those particular verses do not suit their taste” I didn’t over look the OT. I just stated that they were stories of unfortunate events. Not everything in the Bible is happy go lucky. The angry mob outside of men wanting to have sex with the two angels outside of lotts house were not commanded to demand to have sex with the angels. They acted on free will. God protected his angels.

    Once again I didn’t skip over any of the OT. The world in the OT was very sinful just like the world is today. I just pray that today’s world doesn’t get to the point where there are men outside of my door demanding me to send my son or myself out so that they can have sex with me. That would be awful. Or even worse my wife.

  • 17. Heather  |  June 20, 2007 at 2:31 am

    **“1 Timothy 5:14 So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.” **

    The problem I have with this verse is that it contradicts 1 Cor 7, with Paul giving his opinion that it is better not to marry, because then one can focus on God. And he says that widows, while free to re-marry, are better off where they are in his opinion. In the letters that many scholars attribute to actually being written by Paul, he doesn’t show concern for women marrying and having children.

    **One question and I do not mean this in a sarcastic, or poking fun of way, but in all seriousness what was your father like? what is your husband like?** Mark, this is a dangerous question to ask, because it will most likely come across to someone as they only have a problem with Bible verses because of a horrible event with a father or husband. It completely dismisses any validity to the claim.

  • 18. jonathanraleigh  |  June 21, 2007 at 2:45 am

    ok, so one counsels to get married and have children. The other ask you to stay unmarried and focus on God, unless you burn with a passion for another man or woman. The point is… don’t get married unless you are in love and have a deep passion for someone and cannot control yourself. Then get married and have kids 😀

    Any validity to what claim? (what claim did I make?) The reason I asked the question was because this is a feminism website. I asked the question to see if there was ever a “real man” in her life growing up. Just an innocent question to get a little background about the reason she feels the ways she does.(By real man I mean a caring man, a protective and providing father, a best friend (father/husband) that you can share any feelings with) I think its a valid question to ask a feminist why she doesn’t feel like she needs a mans help. Or why she wants to be treated like a man. I think it may start with how women grow up and their wrong idea of a man. They are given a bad example I think :/

    Just my opinion 😀

  • 19. stellar1  |  June 21, 2007 at 2:50 am

    If you assume that I need a man’s help to live – then I assume you must need a woman to live. There is a different between need and want. I do not need a man in my life, but I choose to share my life with a wonderful man. We have a wonderful, caring relationship that is very satisfying.

    Once again, it is all about choice.

  • 20. mark  |  June 21, 2007 at 3:48 am

    women do not have to have a man to survive, but I think man and women together compliment each other. One make lack something that the other has. 😀

  • 21. stellar1  |  June 21, 2007 at 3:58 am

    I agree with your last statement, that couples tend to compliment each other. However, it is not necessary for one person in the relationship to assume a lower position than the other. In fact, this could prove to be detrimental to the mental health of the “submissive” partner.

    An ideal relationship is when both partners are assumed as equals in every aspect of the relationship. Any thing sort of this is simply a sin. 🙂

  • 22. Heather  |  June 21, 2007 at 9:12 am

    **I asked the question to see if there was ever a “real man” in her life growing up. Just an innocent question to get a little background about the reason she feels the ways she does.(By real man I mean a caring man, a protective and providing father, a best friend (father/husband) that you can share any feelings with)**

    But look at the assumptions being made here — she feels the way she does because she hasn’t met a “real man,” she doesn’t want a man’s help and she wants to be treated like a man. This is saying that a feminist can’t have a valid reason for critiquing sexism, but rather is reaction emotionally and would’ve act logically if she had met a “real man.” It turns the matter back to the person, and thus allows someone to ignore the content of sexism.

    We don’t do this with racism. If someone says that s/he is against racism, we don’t then ask the person, “Have you ever met someone who is not racist?” or try andfigure out if that person had a racial encounter in the past.

  • 23. mark  |  June 21, 2007 at 10:39 am

    I admit that my assumptions are based on stereotypical beliefs about feminist.

    We do it with racism also. if someone was a racist I would ask them if they had a bad encounter with a person of that race to make them feel that way or were they raised that way.

  • 24. stellar1  |  June 21, 2007 at 12:17 pm

    Heather is making a valid point, mark. Racism does exist. Sexism does exist. I do not wish for women to rule over men. At the same time, I do not wish for men to rule over women. I just want equality for both genders. Period.

    Your bible allows for sexism and I take issue with that, which is why I write blogs to counter that type of thinking. It is not anything personal against men. It is that I simply see how wrong sexism is and if I am angry it is because I have seen what sexism has done to women over the thousands of years and I want it to stop.

    You have been told that feminists want to be like men. I like being a woman and have no desire to be a man. I just want the same rights that every man gets in politics, society, the workplace, religion, etc. I deserve as much as a mere human being – just like you do.

  • 25. Heather  |  June 21, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    **if someone was a racist I would ask them if they had a bad encounter with a person of that race to make them feel that way or were they raised that way.** We would ask that to someone who is racist. But we wouldn’t ask someone who is anti-racism if the only reason why the person is anti-racist is because the person had an encounter with someone who is racist. One can recognize racism and sexism as wrong without any personal encounters in those areas.

    I’m a feminist, in the definition of the word (and I had a great father and no horrible ‘man encounters’ in my life): I believe in equal rights and opportunities. Feminism has nothing to do with bashing men, wanting to be men, or being angry with men. I simply feel we should all live in a society where no one is forced to rely on another. Even as of 100 years ago, many women were one husband away from poverty. And things like sexism don’t just go away after 100 years. Look how long the civl rights movement took, and we’re still fighting racism today.

    I feel this way because of how I see women exploited in the Middle East, and even in areas in this country. There was a study recently in the Times about how women make less than men. There was a story about how mothers who try and re-enter the workforce have a difficult time because employers will hire someone without children before hiring the mothers. I see powerful voices in the Religious Right movement saying that if only women went back to being stay-at-home mothers, society would be perfect (note: I am not mocking those who are stay-at-home mothers. If you choose this and are happiest as this, I think that’s wonderful). But if given a choice, I see those in the Religious Right having no problem forcing every woman to live as stay-at-home mothers, based on Biblical interpretations.

  • 26. mark  |  June 21, 2007 at 11:07 pm

    I don’t think a woman is lower than a man, but I think a woman has a different role than a man.

    Racism, Sexism, and any other kind of -ism is going to always be around in some form or fashion. Wish it were not so, but it is so.

    As far as women making less than men. Women will actually work for less pay, so why not pay them less unless they demand to make more? If women want more money then demand a raise or don’t work. It’s as simple as that. If you will work for $7/hour instead of $8/hr then I’m going to pay you $7. Speaking out or having rallies may make a statement, nothing is going to happen when you have women that will work for less pay.

    As a businessman if a I had people going for a job in my company with the same skills or even if the applicant with kids had slightly better skills. I would probably hire the person without kids because you can get more work out of them. It’s a simple business decision. You hire who you think would be the best fit for the job. I have to worry about the mom having kids get sick or having to take off to take kids to soccer practice. I’m not saying I don’t hire mommies, but if its a pretty close race (same cheerful personality, same knowledge base) I would probably go with the one without kids because of the lack of duties to kids.

    Just a simple business decision. I really don’t like it when government comes in and tells you who you can hire and can’t hire. You have to have so many of this color, and can’t have too many of this color for fear of being called a racist company. Companies are looked at wrong for not hiring women if they would rather have men because of the less drama and possibly more work that gets done that is due to less gossip.

    I just want to be able to hire who I want and not be told thats wrong or right. 😀

    I’m just going to go back to my first statement in this comment and leave you with my final statement, because this is my last…

    I don’t think a woman is lower than a man, but I think a woman has a different role than a man.

  • 27. rebecca shannon  |  June 22, 2007 at 12:08 am

    Look at this comment here: “Companies are looked at wrong for not hiring women if they would rather have men because of the less drama and possibly more work that gets done that is due to less gossip.”

    This will go over well. 😀

  • 28. Heather  |  June 22, 2007 at 1:49 am

    Mark,

    **As far as women making less than men. Women will actually work for less pay, so why not pay them less unless they demand to make more?** This only works if everyone is aware of what everyone else makes. How often does that happen in companies? Women can only demand more if they know they’re making less than their male counterparts.

    **I have to worry about the mom having kids get sick or having to take off to take kids to soccer practice** You might as well not hire parents, period. Fathers take time off for soccer practice. Fathers will take time off if kids get sick.

    **I would probably hire the person without kids because you can get more work out of them. ** No. My dad has found that part-time female employees with children tend to get just as much work done, and be juast as effective as full-time non-parents.

    **Companies are looked at wrong for not hiring women if they would rather have men because of the less drama and possibly more work that gets done that is due to less gossip** It’s this type of attitude — granted, in a stronger form — that sparked the reasons behind feminism in the first place.

    And I work in a corporate culture. Men cause just as much drama and gossip just as much as the women do.

    ** don’t think a woman is lower than a man, but I think a woman has a different role than a man.** You don’t think a woman is lower, except it’s her fault for accepting less pay, she’s dramatic and gossip-y and not an effective worker because she’s a mother.

  • 29. stellar1  |  June 22, 2007 at 2:08 am

    Mark,

    You have been the perfect male christian and proven every point I have made on this site. You have in your comments provided us with the precise mentality of why I started this site and why feminists around the world fight for equality.

    I do not write because I had no father (he was a drunk and I was better off without him). I do not write because I have a horrible husband (he is a wonderful man who would never want me to be anything less than his equal). I write because of men like you.

    Thank you so much for proving us right – yet again.

  • 30. mark  |  June 22, 2007 at 2:45 am

    ur welcome 😉

  • 31. rebecca shannon  |  June 22, 2007 at 11:58 am

    Heather,

    My husband works in an all male environment and talk about gossip! Oh my word, up to your eyeballs it is! And drama…it’s a daily soap opera there. Not a woman about the place.

  • 32. Heather  |  June 22, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Rebecca,

    It’s amazing, it really is. I graduated from college a few years ago, and have been in the “adult” work environment for about two years. I can understand guys my age gossiping and being drama-kings.

    But there are a lot of men in their 40s and 50s who act just like that. It was stunning at first.

  • 33. rebecca shannon  |  June 24, 2007 at 2:27 am

    Yes Heather, that’s the age group I’m talking about. 🙂

  • 34. Camilla  |  January 5, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Mark, I am totally with you. Glad you tried to talk some sense into these bitches.

  • 35. lilbinder85  |  February 12, 2009 at 3:13 am

    The bible is never dated, im talking kjv! Thats the only one your supposed to read, and if you can’t read it your dumming yourself down to read nkj verson. It is holy and everything was preordainded by God our creater. If you want to change the bible you are probablly not God fearing or saved all put together. We are in the very last days and I hope who wrote that should question your faith! If you got any. I am a new testament, kjv, old fashioned bible believen baptist. By the way im not old im 23 and i can just tell by the true christians from the fake, by scripture. After reading through the next paragraph, I see that you are not a true christian because your trying to change what Gods plan is for a women, who love the Lord. You should just drop the title christian becuase that was a terrible answer and keep doing what you do best, being a liberal femminist!

  • 36. becky walton  |  May 23, 2011 at 4:21 am

    Jesus set the example of lifting women up in His day and how women should be treated even now. Example:
    He went out of His way to meet the woman at the well and told her about her life of sin and how she had value and forgiveness. She was the first one Jesus told that He was the Son of God!
    The adulterous woman that was brought to Him to be stoned to death, He asked them he who is without sin cast the first stone. He saved her life and told her to go and sin no more that she was forgiven!
    When Jesus rose from the grave he told Mary Magdalene first!
    If you look at Jesus family tree proves He forgives all sin:
    Ruth was a moabite from idol worshippers and her family included insest. She was chosen to be King David’s grandmother. Ruth’s husband Boaz mother was a prostitute and was forgiven because she knew God was the real God and helped to save the lives of spies that God sent.
    I could go on and on…You need to read the whole background to appreciate the story and get in a good Bible study like Beth Moore who really goes into detail of the history and background of these awesome women and see how God values them.
    God loves the sinner not the sin. It is awesome that God forgives and gives us a fresh start!
    My prayer is that you check it all out first hand and not just take my word for it.

  • 37. Sierra  |  August 20, 2011 at 6:44 am

    You talk to Mark about “his” God, like you have a different God? There is one and only one God: the God who provided inspiration to men to write the Bible. They are God’s words, he just used men to write them down. His word is perfect and complete. It doesn’t need revising. As Christians who truly believe in God, we must take all of the parts of the Bible, even the parts we donht particularly like, and apply them to our life. That is what being a godly man or woman means to me. if you took all these verses that you don’t like out of the Bible, it wouldn’t be the Bible anymore. It would be a new religion.

  • 38. Sierra  |  August 20, 2011 at 6:53 am

    Oops…. that was supposed to be don’t. 🙂 I thought I corrected that. 🙂

  • 39. Anonymous  |  September 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    u may be right in ur own judgement,bt wat u’re saying is baseless.God’s thoughts are surely far above our imagination.

  • 40. Anonymous  |  December 28, 2012 at 12:10 am

    As a Christian male/husband/dad/son…you get it, I’m a guy, I take exception to the definition of of what is being said here about the Bible. If we look at the Bible for what it is, two separate stories. One before Christ, and one with Christ. Before Christ there are awesome depictions of strong women. Many of whom I approach with the same respect as the men of the Old Testament. The New Testament bring Jesus into the picture…by definition, he would be a “feminist” in today’s world. The first truly “feminist” as he spoke to women and put them above others in many of the stories. What the author is confusing here is not the Bible, but the culture of her own household and of the church she may have been attending…NOT the Bible. As a Christian male, my wife works…because she wishes to…my girls are raised to think for themselves, while praying for wisdom…along with my son. I run into females like this daily who feel that the church is corrupt…it is! My wife and I have left many churches that have the women’s groups meetings during the morning hours…which give the not so subtle impression that women should stay home. This is NOT the Bible. Please read the Bible and see what it says, before paralleling what is scripture, and what has been a misuse for one’s own ambition or theology.

  • 41. Juliet  |  May 24, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Thank you Mark for giving bold but honest answers. I am very much with you!
    stellar1, I am sorry that you still misunderstood him, since you believe that he proved just what you said, which he clearly didn’t.

    I don’t believe that there is any need for further discussion but I would like to encourage whoever reads this blog & the comments to research himself and read the “picked-out” scriptures a) in context and b) concerning OT references with the knowledge that many of these stories as examples for the reader to judge, not statements for what is right or wrong. God gave us a brain and the Holy Spirit to discern.

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